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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 12:06 pm
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_pag ... 21,00.html

Greens back illegal drugs

By Gerard McManus
August 31, 2004

ECSTASY and other illegal drugs would be supplied over the counter to young users in a radical policy framed by Senator Bob Brown's Greens.

The Greens manifesto backs official supply of the dangerous drug ecstasy as well as state-sanctioned heroin and marijuana sales at what it calls appropriate venues.

The ecstasy policy suggests distributing the drug to users while providing official information detailing the dangers of the drug.

About 15 people have died from ecstasy use since it hit Australia in the 1990s. The drug can cause severe psychological side-effects in some people.

A Herald Sun examination of Greens policies reveals other extraordinary plans for Australia including:

LAWS to force people to ride bicycles more often and eat less meat.

DRIVING farmers from their land.

MEDICARE funding for sex-change operations.

CAPITAL gains tax on the most expensive family homes.

AN OPEN door policy on asylum seekers.


With a chance to grab the balance of power in the Senate, the Greens have for the first time released a comprehensive set of policies beyond their environmental platform.

They want a welfare program that allows people to remain on higher dole payments indefinitely without any requirement to look for a job.

The Greens also want the population cut by two million, and for unspecified farms, roads and buildings to be turned back into nature.

With Senator Brown at its helm and two other MPs already in Federal Parliament, the Greens are aiming to treble their representation by installing a new senator in each state and picking up Lower House seats.

Senator Brown said yesterday he believed one million Australians would vote for the Greens at this election - double the number of Green voters at the last election.

Senator Brown said the Greens hoped to unseat a sitting Liberal senator in the ACT, win the ALP seat of Melbourne held by Lindsay Tanner and hold the NSW seat of Cunningham.

Green critic Mike Nahan, of the Institute of Public Affairs, a Right-wing think tank, said the party was the most radical Australia had seen.

"The Greens are loopier than any party I've seen, and will be much worse than the Australian Democrats ever were," he said.

"It was OK while they were playing devil's advocate, with Bob Brown shouting from the sidelines, but now there is a real prospect of them winning the balance of power."

Prime Minister John Howard yesterday described the Greens' agenda as kooky.

"The Greens are not just about the environment," he said. "They have a whole lot of other very, very kooky policies in relation to things like drugs and all of that sort of stuff and new taxes and whatever, which people never talk about because they try and portray themselves as a one-issue party of just being warm and fuzzy about the environment."

Greens policies also include cutting Murray River irrigators by 3000 gigalitres - or six times the size of the Sydney Harbour - each year.

Herald Sun

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If this is accurate, then the Greens just lost my vote indefinitely.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 12:11 pm
Greens Reject Illegal Drugs Claims

The Herald Sun is only good for sport news.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 12:33 pm
there are many ways a govt can supply drugs. free market supply through commercial means akin to a bottleshop is merely one way and located at a the 'radical' end of the spectrum. Any mechanism of controlled availablity of (currently defined) illicit drugs would have to be better than the regime we currently have of shonky manaufacturers and all the bullshit associated with illicit markets.

this is a great example of reductionism - i.e. taking a complex matter and reducing it to popular, usually emotive, simple rhetoric, making the problem seem oh so simple. unthinking morons then read the article (more usually, a headline) and think they know the answer straight up.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 12:41 pm
sceolan wrote:
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10621330%255E421,00.html

If this is accurate, then the Greens just lost my vote indefinitely.

haha

I'm not sure what is worse - 15 people dying from Ecstasy use in 10-15 years, or the thousands, if not millions, that the Howard Government has sentenced to death through it's various military actions, and inactions.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 12:49 pm
prohibition makes illicit drugs particularly dangerous. the engine room of drug related harm, as it were. drugs are not necessarily inherently dangerous in and of themselves.
(sorry for trotting this out again, but i'm knee deep in this stuff at the moment)


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 12:53 pm
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sceolan wrote:
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10621330%255E421,00.html

If this is accurate, then the Greens just lost my vote indefinitely.

haha

I'm not sure what is worse - 15 people dying from Ecstasy use in 10-15 years, or the thousands, if not millions, that the Howard Government has sentenced to death through it's various military actions, and inactions.


Oh, I encourage the wholesale slaughter of humankind. What I objected to was the overall radical change in direction of the Green's policies. Fortunately it appears to be false. I was fairly sure it reeked of bullshit.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 1:21 pm
Only 15 people in 10 years?
Fuck.
I got to get some of that.
Sounds astoundingly safe!

How many people have died in acohol related circumstance in the last 10 years?


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 1:24 pm
Even NOT including car accidents!


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 1:34 pm
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Only 15 people in 10 years?
Fuck.
I got to get some of that.
Sounds astoundingly safe!

How many people have died in acohol related circumstance in the last 10 years?

372.

But most of those were Liberals, and don't count.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 1:42 pm
jezzaboogie wrote:
Only 15 people in 10 years?
Fuck.
I got to get some of that.
Sounds astoundingly safe!

How many people have died in acohol related circumstance in the last 10 years?


My hero.

I love the anti-smoking in pubs ads on tv.. because smoking IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH AND THE HEALTH OF OTHERS.

If I had my way to legalise or ban drugs there's no fucking way I'd have alcohol legal.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 1:48 pm
There is a wicked Streets song on that subject


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 1:53 pm
How about chocolate? Slam down enough of that and see how you go. Panadol, maybe? Do it yourself suicide kit in every corner store...
Stop trying to save stupid people from themselves and providing yet another way of making the criminal element richer. Prohibition is a complete joke. Don't believe me? Well, you can either examine history (try Elliot Ness for starters) or just go to any compound for European workers in the middle east.
Does this mean I'm in favour of legalising EVERYTHING? Hmmmnnn. Not as silly as it sounds in some ways given the readily available nature of pretty much everything in this country. Might be interesting, certainly entertaining to watch! :)


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 2:07 pm
it is impossibe to OD on smoked cannibis.

heroin is the world's best cough suppressant.

beans make you fart.

do too much of anything and it's bad, even if not fatal.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 2:21 pm
everyones different and have their own little vice's.
haha Jezzaboogie love the reply, yes sounds very sound that drug....


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 3:17 pm
they should ban pinking in drubs


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 3:23 pm
verlaine verlaine and I had a coffee day a long time ago. We went to all the opp shops between glenorchy and town and drank as much strong coffee as we could along the way...21 cups each.
...then we got drunk.

It was very exciting. Neither of us drink much coffee anymore, except when we make tiramisu.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 5:33 pm
The Greens' drug policy is no great secret and has been around for years. Obviously it's news to some conservatives at the Herald Sun.

They've released a statement, and for the facts there's always their drugs policy.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 6:28 pm
But why would they drive farmers from their land? I'd like to hear more about the reasoning for that but can't be fucked looking at the link. All the others I'm fine with. There should be total legalization of Marijuana though.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 6:58 pm
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I'd like to hear more about the reasoning for that but can't be fucked looking at the link.

you lazy fuck. go away and read it. jesus.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 10:36 pm
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Stop trying to save stupid people from themselves and providing yet another way of making the criminal element richer.


It's not the fact that stupid people are harming themselves, I encourage stupid people to take them out fo the gene pool by whichever means works best. My problem with alcohol is that it doesn't just affect the consumer, it has a greater impact on society, and potentially, on me, be it risk of a collision by a drunk driver, or getting into a fight on my way home with drunk jocks, or even the simple irritation and disgust of avoiding pools of vomit on a Friday or Saturday night. Fuck yourselves up, hell, I'll even buy your razor blades for you, but people can keep it to themselves. Alcohol is a selfish drug and on this planet there is only room for one ego - mine. So fucking there.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 11:32 pm
as a socila lubricant alcohol works wonders. as a social SMG it unfortunately works even better.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 11:44 pm
u agree with the policy, but will u vote green?

what is the best action policy to get howard out? give MIDDLE AUSTRALIA exstacey!!!


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 11:52 pm
In complete seriousness, if I was dictator of Australia I think that my first decision would be the complete legalisation and official regulation of every single drug in Australia today.

And I'm doing an Arts degree. So I know what I'm talking about.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 11:54 pm
legalisation is a nice idea in theory but it would require one hell of an effective education programme to go with it.


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Tue, Aug 31, 04 - 11:58 pm
Yeah, well that's when I'll start utilising my power over the Treasury of Tasmania to start a funding program for http://www.erowid.org.

I think its my favourite website in the whole world wide web.


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